Friday, November 18, 2011

Confused? Please ,if you could enlighten me?

Sorrel? I do not remember that, at any pony club rally? Would I be right to assume they are talking Liver Chestnut?

Confused? Please ,if you could enlighten me?
You are not the only confused one...but its chestnut with a paler mane and tail. We dont have the same names for colours as our overseas colleagues. There was one the other day, Grulla, that floored me! I THINK its a sort of mouse dun but sounds more like a nasty ailment!
Reply:Actually it is chestnut with a red cast. The mane and tail have nothing to do with it. The paler mane and tail is just referred to as flaxen mane and tail. At least in the US. Report It

Reply:Light Chestnut??? Report It

Reply:–noun 1. light reddish-brown.


2. a horse of this color, often with a light-colored mane and tail.


–adjective 3. of the color sorrel.


http://www.brownridgefarm.com/SDpics/SDb...


I had never heard it either but I loked up the dictonary definition and a picture
Reply:just another name for a chestnut horse, but not a liver chestnut.
Reply:I'm pretty sure the AQHA recognizes sorrel as separate from chestnut (I got a free poster of horse colors, and sorrel was specified.), with a sorrel being lighter than a regular chestnut horse. There's a horse at our barn that they call a sorrel, and she's a very light chestnut, although I always refer to her as chestnut. I'm not sure what her papers say.
Reply:Sorrel is chestnut, yes. Sorrel and chestnut are essentially the same exact thing, but I think that 'sorrel' is more of a western term, where 'chestnut' is more english (not trying to offend people!!) It's the same thing with the term 'canter.' In english riding, it's called 'canter' but in western it's called 'loping' but it's the same thing. So basically it's terminology between different riding styles.
Reply:Sorrel is chestnut, but in the quarter horse. I have Morgans %26amp; they are chestnut, not sorrel.
Reply:I think it's more like a bright chestnut with chestnut mane and tail.





Edit - apparently not - it's chestnut.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrel_(hor...
Reply:While sorrel and chestnut may be considered the same color, they may also be considered a different color. Liver Chestnut can be considered a third color.





Chestnut would be a light, orange brown with a flaxen main and tail:


http://windrosefarmarabians.com/photos/s...








Sorrel - a more reddish brown with a darker mane and tail.


http://www.krugerquarterhorses.com/sorre...





A liver Chestnut is darker yet, but not as dark as a brown horse, often with dapples and unlike a brown, no light points:


http://www.whitehorseacres.com/horses_bi...





A brown horse has no reddish look to him and has lighter brown around the muzzle, eyes and around the flank and belly. Often they look black with lighter points.


http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18175578...





(My original link to a brown horse was better, but YA didn't like it.)
Reply:My horse is registered as a sorrel with AQHA...





http://i29.tinypic.com/2vi0703.jpg
Reply:Sorrel is one of the most common equine coat colors in horses. While it is usually used to refer to a copper-red shade of chestnut horse, in some places it is used generically in place of the term "chestnut" to describe any reddish horse with a same-color or lighter mane and tail, ranging from reddish-gold to a deep burgundy or chocolate shade. The term probably comes from the color of the flower spike of the sorrel herb.





The term "chestnut" is also used to describe horses of a reddish-brown color. Chestnut is more often used to describe this color in England and on the east coast of the USA, while the term "sorrel" is more common in the Western United States. Some horse enthusiasts insist that chestnut and sorrel are two distinct colorations, but there is no clear consensus on what the distinction is. Some argue that "sorrel" should be used to describe only lighter shades, or shades with a very clear reddish tint, while "chestnut" denotes darker shades or shades with more brown in them. The American Quarter Horse Association, which uses both terms, describes a sorrel as a type of copper-red chestnut, but allows that chestnut is also a correct term.





In terms of equine coat color genetics there is no difference at all. Solid reddish-brown color is a base color of horses, caused by the recessive "e" gene.





Sorrel or chestnut coloration can be distinguished from dun by the fact that a dun horse has a gene that causes slightly washed-out yellowish color, with a darker mane and tail than the rest of its coat, may have bars of darker color on the shoulder and forelegs, and also possesses a narrow, dark line down the middle of the back.





A sorrel and a bay, especially a "blood bay," may be confused with one another. However, all bays have "black points" - a black mane, tail and lower legs. Light-colored sorrels, sometimes called "blond sorrels," especially if they have flaxen manes and tails, may resemble a palomino. However, true palomino coloration is the result of a horse's being heterozygous for the cream dilution gene.





Some say that sorrel is a self color, and should be used to describe only horses whose mane, tail, and legs are the same color as the rest of the coat, with the exception of possible white markings below the knee or hock; others use "sorrel" only for reddish-brown horses with flaxen manes and tails, and use "chestnut" when reddish-brown coloration appears as a self color.[citation needed]





More often than not, the practical difference is usually not in color, but in usage: horses ridden in the Western tradition are more often referred to as sorrel and horses ridden in the English tradition are chestnut. Many organizations simply avoid the whole fuss and choose one of the two terms to denote all reddish or brown colorations that are not bay.
Reply:A sorrel is a type of chestnut that comes in a beautiful reddish brown. They are gorgeous (at least I think so) but in fox trotters they are far too common.





One thing to keep in mind is that various breeds have different names. Arabians simply say chestnut to all shades. In fox trotters the picture Amelia posted would be a light chestnut. The picture Aijerene and Kristina posted would be a typical sorrel color with some horses being more red still.
Reply:Sorrel and chestnut are the same things in most breeds, however a few breed associations recognize them as different colors. I believe that AQHA actually claims a difference with sorrel being the lighter, more orangish-red color that usually has a mane/tail of the same color, or flaxen in the mane/tail, whereas chestnut is the darker red/brownish and can vary into the dark liver chestnut. Typically the chestnuts have darker manes.





Just in generally speaking, you can use them interchangeably, but some breeds, like Thoroughbreds, do not recognize "sorrel" as a color....all would be called "chestnut" regardless of shade. I think sorrel is the term more used for stock breeds, chestnut more for hunter type breeds, etc. Hope this makes sense!
Reply:Sorrel is another word for chestnut.


Its not necessarily a liver chestnut. Actually, it's most often used to describe a more reddish chestnut, such as this one: http://illusivedreams.deviantart.com/art...








Hope to have helped =]
Reply:I never herd that to


But i do belive it is a liver chestnut.


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