I am starting to get into breeding Quarter Horses. And I was woundering if anyone knows of any ways to get colors other than that of the parents! Like maybe and red roan out of a sorrel mare and gray stallion or a buckskin, or a bay roan etc.
How to get color in Horses!?
bring in a colord paint stud, one can now register horses in both paint an qh - depending on markings
Reply:to get a red roan foal one of the parents would have to be a roan. So you would have to breed a strawberry or red roan to your sorrel mare and you could possibly get a roan colt. I dont think they come in bay roans. All I know about are red, strawberry and blue roans. I know that my horse is a grey and his parents were: Sire: A bay and Dam: A grey. If you wanted a palomino you could breed your sorrel/chestnut ( i know they arn't the same color, but they are in the same category genetically) to a palomino or cremello. Palomino is a dilution of the chestnut. And Buckskins are dilutions of the bays. Chestnut/Sorrel coloring is completely recessive, so if you dont want a sorrel dont breed to a sorrel or chestnut. If you want to add a paint blood line in, then get a paint (black, bay, buckskin, etc of course not a sorrel paint unless you want a sorrel paint baby as an option). Its pretty much as long as you breed any other color than chestnut/sorrel you wont get a the color of the mother. However, if you breed to a palomino you do run the risk of getting a chesnut/sorrel because it is a dilition of that. If however you want to have a bigger chance of getting a palomino (almost a gaurantee that you will get a palomino) breed the sorrel to a cremello. They are a double dilution to the chestnut and you will be almost for sure to have one cream(dilution) gene in there that will make the baby a palomino. You could also breed to a perlino, they are a double dilute of a bay. So its a buckskin with another cream gene. You could also breed to a black or something to get more color points (bay) or something in there.
I am in college and have had a equine science class where we covered coat color genetics. It has a lot to do with what genes your horse is carrying herself and what genes the father is carrying but in general these are the possibilities.
Reply:The AQHA magazine called America's Horse is doing a series on color and genetics. If you can get some past issues, as well as the upcoming ones, you'd be set to plan your horse herd! I know you can use a stallion that is homozygous for a certain color. Such as, if you breed a sorrel mare to a cremello stud, you are guaranteed to get a palomino or cremello baby. You would just have to do your homework on finding stallions that are tested for producing certain colors. And then of course, consider which mares to use with which stallions. Sounds like fun! Good luck--Quarter Horses are the best!
Reply:Color them with Koo Aid and Jell-O powder.
Reply:breeding for color is not an easy thing as its not the sire and dame as much as it goes back to the gandsires and dames.
if you breed 2 blacks you wont get black unless the black gene goes back many generations . The best thing to tell you here is to look back in the color genes of the sires and dames and go from there . But it is still a guessing game on what you will get in some . I have bred palominos with sorrels and gotten roans one yr and the next colt from same pair was a sorrel with flaxen mane and tail . so its always a guessing game and is exciting to see what the next crop of babies will be . The ones that really get me is the ones that will coat out a totally different color than what I was thinking ..A black colt has turned into a very good looking bay this past yr. So I keep on breeding and wondering and never disapointed , I breed not just for color but for build , strengh and brains
Reply:Its all about the genes. Grey's carry the G gene that is responsible for the dilution of color, and A i believe the gene that controls the presents of black hair. Breeding grey to a sorrel May get you a roan, do to the dilution effect of the grey. But as for buckskin, that's a gene that has to be inherited.
as for pintos genes such as the TO need to be present for the spotting.
deff. avoid breeding Ww and Ww (the white gene) you could get a foal with WW, fatal white syndrome that will die due to its unfinished development of the intestines.
Good Luck
Reply:color has a lot to do with genetics and in horses that can be complicated, you could go to the aqha website and you might get some good background on things like that.
Reply:You cannot alter the genetics that are already in place. And please remember that gray is not a color, but a factor. All horses that are gray were all born another color, but much like a human, the gray hair takes over. What I would do (and have done with my breeding program) is to breed for QUALITY and hope for the best color I can get. A high quality well trained horse of a more common color will always bring more than a poor quality flashy one.
Reply:Color genetics in horses can get quite complicated. If you breed a sorrel to a sorrel you will always get a sorrel. Sorrel to black will almost always be a bay but sometimes black if the stallion or mare are homozygous for the black gene. If you want palominos and buckskins breed to a cremollo or perlino. They will never sire a bay, sorrel, or black. The only way to get a red roan is to breed to one. It is a dominant gene but very uncommon. My red roan sabino stallion is out of a palomino overo and a red roan sabino. Go to www.horsetesting.com. They have an offspring coat color calculator. It will give the probability of what colors you will get. If your gray stallion tests homozygous gray, when breed to the sorrel mare he should have grey offspring. Hope this helped.
Reply:The majority of the time, to get color you're going to have to start with color. There are some genes that can skip a generation, but you have much better chances when you breed from colored horses.
I'd suggest looking at this site to learn more about how horse color genetics work:
http://www.equinecolor.com
If you want a red roan from a sorrel mare, breed her to a roan stallion. You're guaranteed a chestnut horse if you breed her to a red roan, and you'll have a decent chance of getting roan on top of that. You're not going to get a roan from a solid buckskin x sorrel mix, and you won't get one from a gray unless his roan gene is being hidden by the grey, and even then you have a good chance of the foal being gray.
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