I have a Sorrel Mare With a faint dunn line and she was bred to a cremello, what color do you think the baby will be? Also I have a red dunn mare, I would like to know what color baby she would have if she was bred to the same cremello.
Baby Horse Color?
Can you show a picture of the sorrel mares dun line. If it is a true line she is a red dun. If not she is a sorrel. Either way bred to a cremello (provided it is a true cremello) will give a palomino with or without the dun gene. Some people use the dunalino but I do not like the term and just say palomino with a dun gene.
Edit on the sorrel mare check to see if it is a true line on her back or if the edges fade to sorrel. If the edges fade and are not sharp this is not a dun line it is counter shading. If the edges are sharp then it is a dun line and that makes it a red dun.
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The base coat will be chestnut (sorrel is a reddish chestnut, but still a chestnut). This is because true cremellos are double diluted chestnuts. I say true cremellos because you will sometimes find a smoky creme called a cremello. Smoky cremes are black horses with two dilutions.
Therefore you will not have a straight dun. You will have a diluted chestnut which is a palomino. You may have a dun gene on top of that but it will not be obvious though it may have a faint dorsal stripe.
Thus your only possibility is a palomino type horse. If the dilution of the cremello however is champagne you may have a champagne horse but it will be very similar to palomino on the body though its mane and tail may be white or the same color as the body. Though it is said that champagne horses have green eyes and palominos do not the jury is still out on this.
Reply:I don't know - but the folks here probably can help you.
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Reply:dunns are tricky colors. sorrel is a slightly reddish yellow coloring. so I am guessing the baby will be yellowish color since the cremello will dilute out the reddish color. maybe a dark creme or light yellow with darker yellow line down the back. and darker yellow dun coloring zebra marks and facial features.
the red dunn probably similar, but more yellowish less creamy yellowish. whatever the base color of the horse is will be diluted by cremellos, so just imagine if the color is washed out of the darker colors like red or black. and what do you have left.? yellows, whites, cremes, greyish colors. even bluish coloring on some horses. red and black are the horses basic darker colors everything else is dilution and pattern genes imposed on the basic color.
palomino dilution of reds, depending on the intensity of the red determines the amount of yellowing you get and the quality of the yellowing. and the quality of white in the points of the horse mane, tail, head and legs.
bays dilutions get you buckskins, depending on how dark the bay is determines the qualtiy of buckskins. some are just downright beautiful others have smuttiness, dark blotches, or are so dark as to obscure the dilution gene. some have dappling affects too.
black dilutions get you black buckskins (very subtle hard to tell unless you know what to look for) I used to have a black buckskin, it took a while for me to figure out her color. black champagne dilutions get you a pretty greenish blue coloring in the light, black double dilutions get you a creme horse with lots of yellowish smudges on key points of the horse.
I seen a picture of a horse that the dilution gene made the dunn horse almost white but it still had darkish zebra stripes and other features of dunn coloring, it was a pretty horse. so I am guessing the dilution gene was covering the light chestnut dun coloring. there are few other dilutions like taffy, also called silver dappling. it makes the color fade less than the creme gene. for example a black horse might come out chocolate with silver mane and tail.
or a red horse might change very little with the taffy except be more washed out red, not very pretty. a taffy on palomino only gets a dappled palomino, possibly light yellow, and seasonal changes to the coat coloring. such as be almost white in winter and yellowish in summer.
so when is the baby due? will you put a picture on the forum for us all to see?
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Reply:Sorrel: i think she will be a sorrel but maybe a lighter color than her mom
Red Dunn: Probaly a light red
If u tell me there mother and fathers colors of the mares and stallions and put them in this genotype graph i could figure out the percentage of color.
Like if Sorrel mare with a faint dunn line tell me her mother and fathers colors and Cremellos mother and father. ANd i can come up with a percentage.
Reply:There are alot of really neat possibilities! the sorral and cremello could create a palamino, cremello, or a possible light sorral. The most common color is a palamino. A red dun would most likely produce the same results, but i am not too sure on what the outcome would be. I would have to take an educated guess and say a palamino, a creme colored horse or possibly a sorral, but the sorral is a little doubtfull. Hope i could help!!!
Reply:for the sorrel:
sorrel
palomino
for the red dun:
red dun
sorrel
palomino
palomino has the highest chance of coming our
Reply:A lot of this will depend on what genes they have. If you know what their parents' coats were, then that might give you a little bit more of an idea of your color choices. I would look into a book on genetics as it's really interesting (at least I think so...) and it's something that will help you countless times rather than my figuring it out once and giving it to you.
From my own experience, you're going to get something you least expect. After looking into my own horse's genetics we were pretty sure she would throw a baby with a silver dapple color (because she has 3 others all silver dappled) but low and behold we have a bay paint colt from her!
Reply:you would probably most likely end up with a palomino from both of your mares
Reply:You have a lot if dilution going on....
Reply:It's genetics.
If you didn't know that, why did you breed?
Reply:Since your sorrel mare is bred to a dilute she will have a palomino. Your dun mare should have a palomino or dunalino. If you go to www.horsetesting.com and go under equine then to coat color calculator you can see what color you will get.
Reply:its like humans you can never know for sure.
like i'm blonde but my dad has black hair and my mom has brown and my brother has brown.
horses are sorta like that. I know a bay horse who was bred to another bay horse and had a chestnut baby. so you just cant be positive
Reply:100% palomino. Always...for both your horses.
Reply:I think she will be caramel or brown colour
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Reply:A lot of sorrels appear to have a faint dun stripe but if she's sorrel, then she doesn't carry the dun gene. When a sorrel and cremello (double dilution) are bred together, you will ALWAYS get a palomino foal.
Breeding a red dun to a cremello will give you 50% palomino and 50% dunalino babies (dunalino is a palomino with dorsal stripe usually)
Reply:well thats just about nearly impossible at times, becasue foals can go through SEVEN coat color changes untill they are 1 year old sometimes.
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